Any information about Fountain family. My grandfather was Arthur and his parents were James and Maria, who moved to Dunstable, but James parents were Jabez and Louisa who might have run the Fountain Inn in Eaton Bray.

Hi Janet...
Jabez was a publican. 1881 census The Hope & Anchor Eaton Bray , 1891 The Victoria Beer House Eaton Bray and 1901 The Nightingale in Dunstable. The Fountain Inn was opened by John Fountain but not yet worked out which John.

Hi Janet...Which Fountain was the first in your family to emigrate to Oz?

Posted on Genes Reunited for Arthur in 1911 census and got this reply.....FOUNTAIN, May  Daughter   F  9  1902   Middlesex Hoxton   VIEW
SMEDLEY, Samuel  Servant  Single  M  22  1889   Barman  Sussex Plumstead   VIEW
FOUNTAIN, Georgina Voilet  Daughter   F  0 (6 MONTHS)  1911   Middlesex Bayswater   VIEW
GIBBS, Archibald  Servant  Single  M  19  1892   Barman  Sussex Hastings   VIEW
FOUNTAIN, Eliza  Wife  Married
10 years  F  34  1877   Assisting In The Business  Surrey Bermondsey   VIEW
FOUNTAIN, Arthur  Head  Married  M  34  1877   Publican's Manager  Bedfordshire Dunstable   VIEW
LEADER, John  Servant  Single  M  20  1891   Barman  Windsor Berks   VIEW
SABOURIN, Primrose  Servant  Single  F  23  1888   General Servant Domestic  Surrey Bermondsey   VIEW
RG number:
RG14  Piece:
148  Reference:
RG14PN148 RG78PN5 RD2 SD2 ED9 SN180

Registration District:
Kensington  Sub District:
Kensington Central  Enumeration District:
9  Parish:
Kensington

Address:
179 Portobello Road

This is again from a lady on Genes Reunited........maybe the name would have changed ?

DUKE OF WELLINGTON
179-181 Portobello Road, Notting Hill, London. W11 2ED
T: 020 7727 6727 E: dukeofwellington@youngs.co.uk

The Duke of Wellington is a stunning traditional pub set in the heart of vibrant Portobello Road. The friendly atmosphere reflects the truly multi cultural area in which it stands. Locals brush shoulders with antiques dealers and tourists share drinks with musicians.

Of course being a Young’s pub means that there is wide choice of drinks, ranging from finest Young’s bitters to carefully selected wines from across the world. The menu at the Duke of Wellington will offer everything expected from a great pub including the world famous fish and chips cooked in young’s beer batter.

photo
http://www.youngs.co.uk/pub-detail.asp?PubID=391

Marriage for Arthur Fountain to Eliza Sabourin reg St Olave September 1901 vol 1d page 343.……

1901 Census living 140 St Johns Road Shoreditch London

Arthur Fountain ,  single , 24 , Publicans Manager , Dunstable Beds…..
Emma Greenwood ,  widow , 49 , Housekeeper , Lambeth London…..
Mary Lillian Greenwood , 7 , Hastings Sussex…..
Beatrice Phillis Greenwood , 9 , Hastings Sussex…..
Catherine Macersen , 54 , widow , 54 , Domestic Servant , County Tyrone Ireland…..
Ernest Leopold Haylett , single , 18 , Barman , Yarmouth Norfolk…..

Got the name of the pub again from Genes as The Robin Hood & Little John

1891 Census The New Inn Union St Dunstable……
James Fountain , head , 40 , Straw plait dyer and Public House Keeper , Eaton Bray…
Maria Fountain , wife , 40 , Eaton Bray…
Arthur Fountain , son , 15 , Straw plait dyer , Dunstable…
Albert Fountain , son , 10 , Scholar , Dunstable…
William Bearton , visitor , 16 , Straw plait dyer , Dunstable

1881 Census Leighton Gap The Pheasant Inn Houghton Regis Beds…
James Fountain , head , 30 , Publican & Labourer , Eaton Bray…
Maria Fountain , Wife , 30 , Assistant to Publican , Ivinghoe…
Ezra Fountain , son , 7 , Scholar , Eaton Bray…
Arthur Fountain , son , 3 , Scholar , Dunstable…
Albert Fountain ,  son , 18 months , Dunstable…
James Weatherhead , Brother in Law , 17 , Straw Envelope Maker , Eaton Bray………
Marriage for James Fountain to Maria Brown Weatherhead reg Leighton Buzzard June 1873...
Don’t know yet if the Brown in Maria’s name comes from her mothers side or if she may have been married before.

1871 census High Street Eaton Bray….
Richard Fountain , head , 71 , Retired Publican , Eaton Bray…
Susannah Fountain , Wife ,71 …
James Fountain , Grandson , 19 , General Servant , Eaton Bray….
The High Street is full of the Fountain family and the Fountain Inn is a few doors up run at this time by Joseph Henley.

1861 Census Bower Lane Eaton Bray…..
Louisa Fountain , head , 37 , Straw Plaiter , Eaton Bray…
William Fountain , son , 17 , Straw Plaiter , Eaton Bray…
Richard Fountain , son , 15 , Straw Plaiter , Eaton Bray…
George Fountain , son , 13 , Straw Pliater , Eaton Bray…
Charles Fountain , son , 9 , Straw Plaiter , Eaton Bray…
Edwin Fountain , son , 4 , Edlesborough….
Can’t find Jabez in 1861 and have looked for him before on another enquiry.
Does have a prison record which I will post later so could be spending some time
Away.  (Drunk and riotous behaviour)

Janet....Have sent PMs.

Janet....On Bernie's Look Up thread post number's 633,634 and 636 have Parish Records for the Fountain family 1559-1812.

I'm looking for the ancestors of William Carey Fountain who married (1) Emma and (2) Mary.  His mother was Harriet and father Thomas.  Father born in Buckingham and William b Cheltenham Gloucester - he had about 14 children.  Wonder if there is a link to your Fountains.  They were at
1881 Census 2 Hungerford St Cheltenham (Harriet and Thomas)
1881 Census 98 Cattel Rd Aston Warwick (William and Emma)
1891 Census 69 Vine Street Newton Heath Manchester.
Plus 1901 and 1911 Census same address.
William's children were: William, Thomas, Harriet, Kate and Alice (with Emmafirst wife)
and
Charles, Ernest, Harry, Gertrude and Marian with Mary 2nd wife).

There must be a tie-up somewhere.

If you are able to confirm anything would love to hear from you Many thanks
Christine

Hi Christine....Think we need to look at Thomas for a link.Found a possible marriage...Thomas Fountain to Harriet Turner September 1849 Cheltenham Gloucestershire...All census I can find born in Buckingham but can't find him in 1851.

Hi there
I am researching my nan who was born in Eaton Bray in the 1910-20 period. Her name was Rose Fountain. She went on to become a manageress of Woolworths in Luton or Dunstable where she met my grandfather Edward Price. I am interested in finding ourt more about her family. Her sister Connie is still alive.

Hi Helen ....Found rose's marriage to Edward Price 1939 but do you know who her father was?

There is a Constance Fountain on the 1911 census born 1910. Luton.

http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/results4.aspx?x=515506567

FOUNTAIN, Arthur Head Married M 41 1870 General Gardener Beds Eaton Bray VIEW
FOUNTAIN, Sarah Wife Married
20 years F 40 1871 Eddlesboro Bucks VIEW
FOUNTAIN, William Son Single M 17 1894 Labourer On Farm Beds Eaton Bray VIEW
FOUNTAIN, Lewis Son Single M 15 1896 Labourer On Farm Beds Eaton Bray VIEW
FOUNTAIN, Stanley Son M 12 1899 School Beds Totternhoe VIEW
FOUNTAIN, Beatrice Daughter F 10 1901 School Beds Totternhoe VIEW
FOUNTAIN, George Son M 7 1904 School Beds Totternhoe VIEW
FOUNTAIN, Alec Son M 3 1908 Beds Totternhoe VIEW
FOUNTAIN, Constance Daughter F 1 1910 Beds Totternhoe VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
8991 Reference:
RG14PN8991 RG78PN478 RD178 SD1 ED7 SN83

Registration District:
Luton Sub District:
Dunstable Enumeration District:
7 Parish:
Tottenhoe

Address:
Totternhoe Dunstable Bedfordshire County:
Bedfordshire

Can't find a birth registration for Rose in the dates you have given but quite a few for Constance's.Do you know when Constance was born and where?

Haven't visited your site for a while but notice in december interest in The Fountain public house. One of my ancestors was the John Fountain. The Fountains kept the Chequers pub from 1746 to 1822 when it was sold to Dunstable Brewery. The Fountain was built on land owned by John in 1825 (rumour has it he had to build his own because he was barred from other establishments)and left to son  Richard on John's death on 1840.He left all his sons well provided for.  It was finally sold to Ivinghoe Ales in 1879 just before Richard died. During the first world war the licence was revoked and it became a private house. The pub was finally pulled down by Wallace the land now contains May Close a memorial to May Wallace father.    

There were two John's at Buckinghamshire one was at Mentmore and I think they ended up at Eaton Bray but not sure of this. The others were my family as below, but they must have been related.  Hope this is of help to anyone researching:

John Fountain m Phoebe ? (date unknown)
Child William b before 1749
Ellesborough Buckingham
m Mary Buckland Buckland 15/8/1767
Note: He was up for a crime and sentenced to death 1818. In 1828 he was sentenced to imprisonment but died that year.
Children:
William, Georg, Joseph, Thomas, Solomon, Mary Sarah, Ann and John as follows
Plus
JOHN FOUNTAIN
b about 1776 Aston Clinton Buckinghamshire
married: 13/10/1801
MARIAH PHILBY
b 1780 Aston Clinton Buckinghamshire (parents John and Elizabeth Philby) She is also known as Maria
christening 25/6/1780
can't find date of death currently
Children:
All at Aston Clinton Bucks
Elizabeth 24/4/1803
Mary 18/10/1804 d 23/1/1811
John Death 27/12/1806
Henry 4/1/1907
Susannah 8/1/1809
Sarah 14/7/811 m William Foskett Aston Clinton 1838
Ann 25/6/1815
Thomas 1819 sometimes referred to as 1820 or 1821
Mary ? birth married Joseph Foskett Aston Clinton 1826


1841 Census:

John Fountain (66) Aylesbury living with Sophia Fountain (64)and Robert Lambert (23) ? Katter Street Aylesbury Buckinghamshire

1851 Census:

John Fountain 72 living with Henry Fountain (son) and Lucy (wife) children Tom, John, William, Harriet. Address Weston Turville Bucks
Died: About 1860 Aylesbury Buckinghamshire

THOMAS FOUNTAIN:
b 8/5/1819 Aston Clinton Buckinghamshire
married Harriett Turner (b Gloucester)

1841 Census:

Thomas: At Shalstone Buckinghamshire (20) Labourer (Leckhampstead) boarding house with Mary Jervoise, Margaret Cooper, Mary Bareham, Ann Dury, Elizabeth Burby, Job Johnson, Thomas Labourn.

1851 Census:
Can only find Thomas (30) and Harriett Fountain in Norfolk Great Yarmouth (occupation engineering and wife) 18 ?Cottage Heads says he was born in Norfolk but that obviously wrong. Harriett was born in Cheltenham Gloucestershire so presumably they were working there.
1861 Census:
at 66 Cottage Backs? Occupation Gatekeeper)
Children: William C (9 yrs), Thomas H (8 yrs) he was born in Middlesex London
1871 Census:
16 Northfield Passage Cheltenham Gloucestershire
Occupations: Thomas – Servant General, Harriett – Servant's wife, Thomas jnr Painter
Thomas, Harriett and Thomas H (19)
Death: 1889 Cheltenham Gloucestershire (Jan-Feb-Mar quarter)
WILLIAM CAREY FOUNTAIN:
b 1852 Cheltenham Gloucestershire
Marriage:
1: September 1869 (17) to Emma Hawkes (Tewkesbury) b 1849 Twyning Worcester, Death March 1886 (Age 37) Prestwich
Family: Mother and father: Michael and Caroline.
Siblings: Maria, Harriet, Richard, 24 Hillcrest St Twyning Gloucester. Occupation Carpenter
2: June 1891 (age 39) Mary Ann (unknown) Hunslet b 1870 Skipton Yorkshire
Occupation: Cabinet Maker/Railway Coach Finisher
Living 69 Vine St Manchester 1891-1911
Children: with Emma Hawkes
Clara Jane b March 1870 Cheltenham
m Albert Frederick Soule b Dec 1871 Northleach No recorded children
Death Albert: March 1938 Chelte
Death Clara: June 1915 (45) Cheltenham
William Arthur Fountain
b 1872 Cheltenham
m ?  Child William who had 3 sons
Charles Guy Fountain
b September 1881 Aston Warwickshire
Death: 21 July 1953 (71) Silverstream Hospital Wellington
m Nellie Florence Carr 1915
Child: Irene Patricia Fountain
emigrated to NZ 1926
Ernest Alfred Fountain Machine Joiner
b September 1884 Newton Heath Manchester
m September 1912 Amy Mack
Her parents: Robert Slater Mack and Ellen Hoskinson both of Manchester
D March 1967 (82 yrs)

William Carey Fountain's Children: with Mary Ann
Gertrude b Dec 1894 Manchester
m Bertram Charles Chittenden b 1898 West Ashford Kent No recorded children
Occupation: Winder in Mill
Death march 1935 (40) West Ashford Kent,
Harry b 1898 Manchester (crippled leg)
Marion b 1900 (Manchester)

Can't find date of death as yet for William Carey Fountain but must have been after 1911 sometime.


Census:

1881:
Thomas Fountain and Harriet with Clara Fountain at 2 Hungerford St Cheltenham. Two lodgers Mary Reed and Sarah Cox.
William C Fountain and family at 98 Cattel St Aston Warwick with Emma first wife.

1891 Census:
William with 2nd wife Mary and William A, Thomas, Kate, Alice, Ernest.

1901 Census:
Same: address 69 Vine St Newton Heath Manchester

1911 Census:
William, Mary, Gertrude, Harry and Marion.

re Fountain family - thanks for threads reference in lookups.  I have found quite a bit of info that I was looking for re my line.  Still having trouble finding out who John Fountaine who married Jane Knight 1677 Totternhoe came from.  He could have come from Thomas 1590 or Robert or Samuel his brothers but I can't find his pathway. He had Thomas Fountaine 1685 which set off our line.

Hi Christine......Found a tree on Ancestry for John Fountain who married Jane Knight which has him 1640 to 1697.Father Robert Fountain born 1595 Cheddington.Grandfather Robert Fountain born 1560 Cheddington to 1629 Cheddington.Gt Grandfather Thomas Fountain 1525 Cheddington to 1596 Cheddington......Cheddington is in Buckinghamshire a few miles away.
You will need to check this as I can't find anything on the tree as to records.

On Family Search it has a John baptised 13th April 1640 Edlesborough Bucks...Don't know if he is yours but father is Robert.

Thanks very much for that yes I got that but I can't prove it is ours.  
Also found a parish rector in Bucks 1663-1667 for John Fountain, John Fountayne and Johannes Fountayne which is interesting also don't know if it is tied up.  If it is Robert who is the father it must be the 2nd generation Robert and John possibly was illegitemate.  But that's still to be found I suppose.  Got stuck at this point, got the rest but not this one.  Will keep looking - he's a bit of a mystery man this one!  Sounds as tho my ancestors were creating a dynasty!!! Interesting lot.

Also found one for Samuel too which could be our John who knows.  The John Fountayne I found as a rector was at Linford Magna//Bucks appointed by subscription 1663 and Wolston parva//Bucks 1662 -
No reason for subscription given. Subscription to the Act of Uniformity by someone already in office. Johannes Fountayne was 1677(institution) and position was vacated by death. So I don't know if these are all tied up with the Fountain lot in Bucks but most likely are.  
Did John Fountayne/Fountain seems the same person, leave the church and marry?  Still to find these things out!

re Robert Fountaine - did some further checking and found:  
Robert son of Thomas Founten 1595 had a son ? don't know if he married first or not, Robert about 1614/1609.
Robert 2 married 1634 wife unknown had John about 1640 all at Ellesborough Bucks so that looks as tho it ties in.  

There are also some at Lidlington Beds but they don't seem to have quite the same names.  Thomas Fountaine had son Robert 1594, and a William Fountain had son Robert 1603 and Robert Fountaine was orne to Francis Fountaine 1633 all at Lidlington so don't know who they are.

So hopefully that sorts out my little puzzle have got many of them on a spreadsheet now which makes more sense.

Many thanks again for your great help
Christine

re my queries - thanks for all that it all links up now but now I'd like to find Thomas 1525 who his parents were - some in Devon which may be his parents.  Also I found Fountaine/Fountayne/Fountains/whatever originated in Norfolk and I've found all those back to 1365 - probably originated back then and migrated down south but can't quite find the connection except names are the same.  Norfolk ones were Sirs and Lady etc. and very notable - didn't trickle down to my line!!!! never mind don't really care about that.  Anyway I think we must have originated from them and hopefully sometime we can get further to the bottom of it.

Again many thanks for your great help.
Christine

The Norfolk ones - These were the ones in Salle Norfolk. They go back to 1066 Battle of Hastings according to Family Crest information.  Sir Andrew Fountaine and John Fountain who was the Dean of York so all very illustrious!!! But they had a big fight on for the heir as they didn't have many children to follow on...all quite fascinating.  Sir Andrew was knighted by William III and was Warden of the Mint.  Very wealthy.

Message for Bernie: You asked how William Carey Fountain got the name "Carey".  It may be that there is a connection to the Norwich Fountains, in particular John Fountain b1601 who ended up marrying Theodosia Harrington and eventually his brother Thomas' grandson became Dean of York (John Fountaine).etc.etc.  

John Fountain 1601 was a lawyer who had chambers in Boswell Court CAREY St London.  He was also in Buckinghamshire and Essex etc.etc. but he is a bit shadowy re his background - the family tree for this group includes him but as to his parentage it is thought he was Arthur's 3rd son but it is inconclusive.  Anyway it seems the Fountaines/Fountains etc. originated in Norfolk (except for the French lot who ended up in Devon and subsequently USA) and our lot in Bucks and Eaton Bray somehow descended from Norfolk Branch somewhere along the way from 1066 onwards.  
We must have been the poorer relations lot it seems....interesting.

I am a descendant of John Fountain who left Oakham, Rutland UK in 1795 to join William Carey's Christian mission in India. I believe John died of a tropical disease in 1805 leaving a pregnant wife. John's wife remarried but the child retained the surname Fountain (unusual for those times).
This child's offspring are my predecessors  one of whom ended up in New Zealand. (Where I come from)
Maybe this history has some bearing on the name William Carey Fountain?

Thanks Peter for that - it could well be why my g/grandfather was called William Carey Fountain.  Also John Fountain way back in 1600s worked in Carey Street in London at the Temple Inns - this was later corrupted to Queer St when the bankruptcy courts moved there apparently.  The buildings were later pulled down and what's there now is there.

I too live in NZ and my grandfather Charles Guy Fountain emigrated with wife Nellie and my mum Irene Patricia - are you related to this family at all?  I am happy for my email address to be given to you.

Message for Peter Grant Fountain - would love to hear from you am on facebook but if you are in NZ even better.
Not much on your John Fountain but it all fits in seems they were Baptists and also Methodists later on. There is also a reference to PHERD, JOHN (d. 1225), bishop of Ely, properly called John of Fountains, was a Cistercian monk of Fountains, and was chosen ninth abbot of his house in December 1211.He was accordingly elected 24 Dec. 1219, and received the royal assent on the same day. He was consecrated by Langton at Westminster on 8 March 1220, and was enthroned at Ely on 25 March (Matt. Paris, iii. 58; Le Neve, Fasti, i. 328).  In contemporary chronicles he is always described simply as Johannes de Fontibus, or Johannes Eliensis. The name Pherd appears to be due to an error of Burton, who misread Elien' in the manuscript (Monasticon Eboracense, p. 210; cf. Memorials of Fountains, i. 134). Wonder if he is one of ours too?

Sorry to but into these links but I have a copy of a Fountain family tree (see Jan 2011) which includes John Fountain of Slapton( bapt 13th April 1640 in Edlesborough bur. 30th June 1697 in Puttenham)  marrying Jane Knight Totternhoe 28th June 1677 (bapt c 1655 bur. 30th Nov 1706 Puttenham)
They baptised a child Thomas on 18th April 1678 Slapton.
Jane 1680- Thomas 1685 - Elizabeth 1688 all in Puttenham. I have lots of interesting facts on the Fountains and several extracts from wills. One interesting entry in the Domesday book is for Crafton in Wing where the Fountains had major holdings. The family christian name of Nicolas going from generation to generation. The monks had a Chapel at Crafton and may of the Fountains wer buried just inside or just outside the Chapel. At the dissloution of the monasteries this Chapel was incorporated into a house. At that time the Fountains were devout Catholics and the Leighton Buzzard monastic Records show them paying for masses to be said for their parents.  

Message for Jane Bisshop - Hi Jane would love to have a copy of all this as I have just found some relatives direct to my family plus the other Fountains that everyone prob has.  But this sounds as tho we are on the right track for this one.  I am happy for you to have my email address and I will send a separate request for same.  If you can email anything I would be very grateful.  The tree would be great too.
Cheers
Christine Andricksen

Can I please ask any of the posters if they can resolve something that is a bit of a mystery?

I am trying to find more information about my maternal grandfather, Henry (aka Harry) Fountain Newman. His marriage records indicate he was born c1881, in Eaton Bray.

I have obtained a death certificate which point sot being him. This is from 1915, in Paddington, W London. On this certificate the informant is the very same A Fountain, of 179 Portobello Road, who is the subject of the first post on this topic.

What is of interest is that he is referred to as 'step-brother'.

I have tried to see where the 'step' relationship occurs. Did Arthur's mother, Maria Fountain, remarry? i have searched and can find no record of this. Additionally, a James Newman of Paddington married a Florence Elizabeth Fountain in June 1906. Once again, looking through census, I can not find a Florence E Fountain.

Back to Henry Fountain Newman.  His father was a James Newman (deceased by 1907), and Henry seems to have added Fountain to his name before his marriage in 1907.

This may not all 'gel' together, but thought I might have a chance of tying  up some loose ends regarding the Fountain link, with the knowledge of the Fountain family members who post on this forum.

Any ideas or comments would be most welcome and I thank you for any.

Hi Rob
I did find this on my spreadsheet of the Fountains.

Richard 1798 m Susannah Gadsden
E/Bray 1821
Children:
Jabez 1822
Elizabeth 1827
Gadsden 1826
Jonas 1828
L/Buzzard 1847 I think this means Richard m Leah Fountain 1850 and had Henry 1851 So maybe this is your Henry's Dad or grandfather? Can't find an Arthur just yet. Maria Fountain was involved with the Fountain Inn I remember seeing somewhere so will try and find that too.  
Will look as well for you.

Got part of it from familysearch.org.uk

But Henry Fountain Newman isn't born at this stage by the look of it.  However you may be right, perhaps Maria remarried or had another child called Henry Fountain Newman.   some
Henry FOUNTAIN   Head   M   Male   30   Eaton Bray, Bedford, England   Ag Labourer    
Ann FOUNTAIN   Wife   M   Female   29   Slapton, Buckingham, England   Ag Labourer Wife    
Maryann FOUNTAIN   Daur      Female   7   Eaton Bray, Bedford, England   Scholar    
Georgeina FOUNTAIN   Daur      Female   4   Cheddington, Buckingham, England   Scholar    
Arthur W. FOUNTAIN   Son      Male   6   Horton, Buckingham, England   Scholar    
Florence E. FOUNTAIN   Daur      Female   1   Cheddington, Buckingham, England        
Albert FOUNTAIN   Son      Male   3 m   Cheddington, Buckingham, England        
Ruth FOUNTAIN   Relative      Female   11   Eaton Bray, Bedford, England   Straw Plaiter    


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Source Information:
 Dwelling   Cottage
 Census Place Cheddington, Buckingham, England
 Family History Library Film   1341392
 Public Records Office Reference   RG11
 Piece / Folio   1644 / 58
 Page Number   25


This is James and Maria at 1881 Census:
James FOUNTAIN   Head   M   Male   30   Eaton Bray, Bedford, England   Publican & Labourer    
Maria FOUNTAIN   Wife   M   Female   30   Ivinghoe, Buckingham, England   Assistant To Head (Publican)    
Ezra FOUNTAIN   Son      Male   7   Eaton Bray, Bedford, England   Scholar    
Arthur FOUNTAIN   Son      Male   3   Dunstable, Bedford, England   Scholar    
Albert FOUNTAIN   Son      Male   18 m   Dunstable, Bedford, England   -    
James WEATHERHEAD   Wifes Brother   U   Male   17   Eaton Bray, Bedford, England   Straw Envelope Maker    


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Source Information:
 Dwelling   Leighton Gap Pheasant Inn
 Census Place Houghton Regis, Bedford, England
 Family History Library Film   1341393
 Public Records Office Reference   RG11
 Piece / Folio   1647 / 47
 Page Number   2


I did find this Maria Newman ? same one if so may have married Fountain after and added Fountain to Harry's name perhaps:  Possibly he was illegitemate somewhere along the line...

Husband
Joseph Newman Pedigree


 Birth:  About 1831  Buckingham, Buckingham, England
Christening:    
Marriage:  About 1860  Buckingham, Buckingham, England
Death:    
Burial:    
 

 
 

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Wife
Maria Newman Pedigree


 Birth:  About 1840  Buckingham, Buckingham, England
Christening:    
Marriage:  About 1860  Buckingham, Buckingham, England
Death:    
Burial:    
 

 
 

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Children

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1.   Emelie Newman Pedigree
  Female  
   
  Birth:  About 1867  Plumstead, Kent, England
Christening:    
Death:    
Burial:    
 


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2.   Harold Newman Pedigree
  Male  
   
  Birth:  About 1887  Deptford, Kent, England
Christening:    
Death:    
Burial:    

For Rob again re Henry Fountain Newman

I was given the following book reference on the Fountains at Familysearch.org.uk Latter Day Saints follow the prompts - if you check at your local branch you might be able to access it. I have done this in NZ so hopefully will give us all the info that we can possibly get. Hope this might help. But it might not be up to 1881.

stmt. resp.: compiled and written by Harold J. Faulkner
authors: Faulkner, Harold J (Main Author)
format: Books/Monographs/With Fiche
language: English
publications: [England?] : H.J. Faulkner, c2000
physical: 56 p., [21] leaves (some folded), 3 microfiches
subject class: 929.242 F825

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Notes
David Faulkner (1845-1887) was born in Eaton Bray and married Catherine Fountain (1848-1900) in 1867. Fountain ancestry is traced to John Fountain (1671-1717) who married Elizabeth Cooke (died 1732). John was born in Mentmore and was married and buried in Totternhoe. Also includes information on the Fountains of Slapton, Stoke Hammond, Cheddington, Edlesborough, and Aylesbury, Wing, Milton Keynes, Ivinghoe, some back to the 13th century. Faulkner ancestry is traced back to the 17th century.

Library has housed microfiche at the Access Services Window.

Subjects
Fountain
Faulkner


Copies
Call Number Location Availability
929.242 F825f FHL FAM HIST Book Available

Film Notes
Note Location Film
Appendices, sources, parish registers & deeds (1 fiche) FHL BRITISH Access Window 6394323  
Appendix wills with index (1 fiche) FHL BRITISH Access Window 6394324  
Pictures & illustrations, also census 1841, 51, 61, 71, 81 & 91 (1 fiche) FHL BRITISH Access Window

Hello Christine,
Thank you for your huge amounts of information. I really appreciate it.

I will take a look at it closely in  a moment.

However, I fell I may have not explained things clearly as I do not think my grandfather was born a Fountain, but became linked through a 'syep' relationship.


The death certificate of his father in 1915 shows that he is a step brother of Arthur Fountain who is mentioned on the first post of this thread. Arthur's parents were James and Maria Fountain (publicans). Of course it may have been the wrong term and it should have been 'brother-in-law;, Mistakes did happen.


The step brother connection suggests that one of either Arthur's parents married one of Henry's parents after both of them were born.

So am trying to establish when this marriage took place and between whom.


The other mystery which could well lead to a solution is this marriage of a James Newman to a Florence Elizabeth Fountain. All records searches through FreeBMD and Censuses do not come up with anything.


I still am veering towards a connection to Arthur Fountain or his siblings somehow. Could this Florence Elizabeth be a sister to Arthur?

Thanks again for your help. I will post up any developments that I find.

Hi Ron
Yes all very confusing.  Definitely Florence Elizabeth Fountain is sister to Arthur W Fountain and they are in Bucks in 1881 census.  And definitely Arthur is son of Maria and James Fountain same census (sorry for repetition but have to get facts right).  

I couldn't find as you couldn't marriage of Maria to a James Newman nor could I find her death on Familysearch.  But might look on another website which might yield it.  I would wonder if she had him illegitemately (as it did happen in the Fountains it seems) or she did live with this Mr Newman and had your Henry Fountain Newman but didn't register him (also happened).  They fiddled around with the names then too to hide things.  

Just looked at Ancestry.co.uk but nothing there will look another time.  My feeling is that he is illegitemate and the Fountain is after Maria - maybe Newman is the father but didn't support her. I am sure she ran the pub herself later on in Eaton Bray (thought I read that somewhere) and perhaps if you can find a later census she might show up.  
I'll keep looking later though.
Cheers and hope it solves your mystery.  When I get the book I mentioned I'll look that up as it just might mention something...

Christine

Hi Christine
Can you post the 1881 census showing Florence & Arthur in Bucks please.
Can't find them.

The 'fly in the ointment' is that they may not be the same Arthur Fountain who appears as 'step-brother' on the certificate?

However the illegitimacy thought is certainly feasible.

Will check later it is 6.30 am in NZ right now and have to go to work so will post later.

Cheers
Christine

Back again :

My feeling is that Maria had Henry Fountain Newman probably illegitemately or he may have called himself Fountain (middle name) to "fit in" to the family.  Hope this helps. Or he married Florence Fountain (nice way of rounding off the names if he was illegitemate).

First one is under Henry Fountain which shows an Florence E Fountain and Arthur W Fountain as brother and sister.


Henry FOUNTAIN   Head   M   Male   30   Eaton Bray, Bedford, England   Ag Labourer    
Ann FOUNTAIN   Wife   M   Female   29   Slapton, Buckingham, England   Ag Labourer Wife    
Maryann FOUNTAIN   Daur      Female   7   Eaton Bray, Bedford, England   Scholar    
Georgeina FOUNTAIN   Daur      Female   4   Cheddington, Buckingham, England   Scholar    
Arthur W. FOUNTAIN   Son      Male   6   Horton, Buckingham, England   Scholar    
******Florence E. FOUNTAIN   Daur      Female   1   Cheddington, Buckingham, England        
Albert FOUNTAIN   Son      Male   3 m   Cheddington, Buckingham, England        
Ruth FOUNTAIN   Relative      Female   11   Eaton Bray, Bedford, England   Straw Plaiter    

Second one is James and Maria Fountain which shows Arthur Fountain as their son all correct.
But no Henry/Harry Fountain Newman. Both census taken 1881 Familysearch.
This is James and Maria at 1881 Census:
James FOUNTAIN   Head   M   Male   30   Eaton Bray, Bedford, England   Publican & Labourer    
Maria FOUNTAIN   Wife   M   Female   30   Ivinghoe, Buckingham, England   Assistant To Head (Publican)    
Ezra FOUNTAIN   Son      Male   7   Eaton Bray, Bedford, England   Scholar    
Arthur FOUNTAIN   Son      Male   3   Dunstable, Bedford, England   Scholar    
Albert FOUNTAIN   Son      Male   18 m   Dunstable, Bedford, England   -    
James WEATHERHEAD   Wifes Brother   U   Male   17   Eaton Bray, Bedford, England   Straw Envelope Maker    

Under "Findmypast.co.uk" I did find the following:
Household
FOUNTAIN, Henry
1881
0 
M
Marylebone
Middlesex
Household
FOUNTAIN, Henry
1881
0 
M
Aylesbury
Buckinghamshire
Household
FOUNTAIN, Henry
1881
0 
M
Leighton Buzzard
Bedfordshire
You need to pay to view these.

Also under Newman: Might be worth investigating:
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1880
1 
M
St George Hanover Square
Middlesex
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1881
0 
M
Poplar
Middlesex
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1879
2 
M
Lambeth
Surrey
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1880
1 
M
Chertsey
Surrey
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1880
1 
M
East Preston
Sussex
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1881
0 
M
Hungerford
Berkshire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1880
1 
M
West Ham
Essex
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1880
1 
M
Maldon
Essex
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1879
2 
M
Braintree
Essex
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1879
2 
M
Saffron Walden
Essex
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1881
0 
M
Smallburgh
Norfolk
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1881
0 
M
Melksham
Wiltshire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1881
0 
M
Wimborne
Dorsetshire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1879
2 
M
Wincanton
Somersetshire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1879
2 
M
Gloucester
Gloucestershire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1881
0 
M
Northleach
Gloucestershire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1880
1 
M
Cheltenham
Gloucestershire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1880
1 
M
Birmingham
Warwickshire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1881
0 
M
Birmingham
Warwickshire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1881
0 
M
Hull
Yorkshire (East riding)
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1879
2 
M
Middlesbrough
Yorkshire (North riding)
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1880
1 
M
Cardiff
Glamorganshire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry A
1880
1 
M
Canterbury
Kent
Household
NEWMAN, Henry E
1881
0 
M
Marylebone
Middlesex
Household
NEWMAN, Henry Earmes F
1879
2 
M
Merthyr Tydfil
Glamorganshire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry F
1880
1 
M
Hambledon
Surrey
Household
NEWMAN, Henry F
1879
2 
M
Merthyr Tydfil
Glamorganshire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry G
1881
0 
M
St Thomas
Devonshire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry G
1879
2 
M
Barton Regis
Gloucestershire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry H
1879
2 
M
St George Hanover Square
Middlesex
Household
NEWMAN, Henry J
1879
2 
M
Royston
Hertfordshire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry J
1880
1 
M
West Ham
Essex
Household
NEWMAN, Henry J
1880
1 
M
Barton Regis
Gloucestershire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry J
1879
2 
M
Chipping Sodbury
Gloucestershire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry N
1880
1 
M
Bromley
Kent
Household
NEWMAN, Henry Nelson
1879
2 
M
Hastings
Sussex
Household
NEWMAN, Henry Robert C
1881
0 
M
Eton
Buckinghamshire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry S
1880
1 
M
Mile End Old Town
Middlesex
Household
NEWMAN, Henry W
1879
2 
M
Fulham
Middlesex
Household
NEWMAN, Henry W
1881
0 
M
Islington
Middlesex
Household
NEWMAN, Henry W
1879
2 
M
East Preston
Sussex
Household
NEWMAN, Henry W
1879
2 
M
Bishop Stortford
Hertfordshire
Household
NEWMAN, Henr

Me again just checked again.  I know this is Fountain and not Newman but obviously Fountain has a meaning for this man.  Another thought, maybe Florence Fountain from the Fountain family had Henry Newman illegitemately?

This is another family in Eaton Bray which I found interesting because Henry aged 6 and his sister Roda Fountain aged 9 were stepchildren to the head of the household (1881 census).  Wife was Ann so I wonder how this relatonship occurred or whether Ann was previously a Fountain wife to somebody in Eaton Bray. Just to add to the confusion:::::Wonder who they belonged to? Birthdate for Henry is a bit out but it could have been recorded incorrectly.

 John BURNHAM 
 Head 
 M 
 Male 
 43 
 Ivinghoe Aston, Buckingham, England 
 General Labr 
  
 Ann BURNHAM 
 Wife 
 M 
 Female 
 27 
 Eaton Bray, Bedford, England 
 Straw Plaiter 
  
 Hannah DYER 
 Boarder 
 U 
 Female 
 19 
 Eaton Bray, Bedford, England 
 Straw Plaiter 
  
 Walter BURNHAM 
 Son 
 U 
 Male 
 17 
 Ivinghoe Aston, Buckingham, England 
 General Labr 
  
 Joseph BURNHAM 
 Son 
  
 Male 
 13 
 Ivinghoe Aston, Buckingham, England 
 General Labr 
  
 Lydia BURNHAM 
 Daur 
  
 Female 
 9 
 Ivinghoe Aston, Buckingham, England 
 Scholar 
  
 Roda FOUNTAIN 
 Step Daur 
  
 Female 
 9 
 Eaton Bray, Bedford, England 
 Scholar 
  
 Ethred BURNHAM 
 Son 
  
 Male 
 6 
 Ivinghoe Aston, Buckingham, England 
 Scholar 
  
 Henry FOUNTAIN 
 Step Son 
  
 Male 
 6 
 Eaton Bray, Bedford, England 
 Scholar 
  
 Flora BURNHAM 
 Daur 
  
 Female 
 1 
 Ivinghoe Aston, Buckingham, England 
  
  
 Rosa DYER 
 Niece 
  
 Female 
 2 m 
 Eaton Bray, Bedford, England 
  
  
Dwelling  
Bower Lane
Census Place
Eaton Bray, Bedford, England
Family History Library Film  
1341393
Public Records Office Reference  
RG11
Piece / Folio  
1645 / 69
Page Number  
24

Christine, You have been superb with the amount of information you have presented.

Some of the Henry Fountains and Newmans I myself have found using findmypast.co.uk and other search sites. Saying that you have come up with a few I have not have found. So I am extremely grateful to you.

I am going off line now, but will pursue things tomorrow and report on any progress.

I have looked at the Burnham connection before. I established that Harry Fountain was born to Ann Fountain, and she re-married to John Burnham, hence Harry (or Henry) becoming a stepson.

Anyway, bedtime beckons for today


Rob

Rob I saw your stuff on Genes Reunited and I think that maybe the answer and that it is the Burnhams that hold the key.  maybe not.  

Arthur and Elizabeth Fountain were siblings - Ann as widow of Frederick Fountain remarried to Burnham.  Somewhere inbetween that your Henry Newman was born. Sorry to state the obvious.  

Couldn't find anything under your Mother's name for marriage. Nor could I find anything obivous for Frederick Fountain so don't know about that either.  But keep looking as things have a habit of suddenly "appearing".  

Regards
Christine

I think we can now discount the idea of a Florence Fountain marriage to James Newman. Although their names were on the registry office lists for that day, they married other people. Just a very strange coincidence.

Now delving to see this step-brother link with Arthur Fountain (1877/8).

Great stuff Rob.  All the fountains in E/Bray seemed to live in the same street mostly so possibly they may have had 2 weddings (ie Florence and whoever) to save money perhaps???? Who knows.

The Fountaines and Fountains are all descended mainly from the Norfolk ones, the imports from France (Huegenots) were a different family who went to Devon and then onto USA.  Some did stay though.  May have been related back in France but I don't know about that bit.   Fountaines were with William the Conqueror 1066 and started from there.  Must have drifted south during the intervening years.

Hopefully you'll get a bit more info soon to sort out the mystery!

Hi Christine

Re: your posting #754 3 January 2011, 00:24

After seeing your posting I had a scan through the
Bucks marriage files and found a John Fountain m.
Phoebe Dimmock on 3rd May 1733 at Slapton, Bucks..
Is it possible that these are the ones who ended
up in Ellesborough?

I've managed to get back to William (b.c.1749) of
Ellesborough but can't seem to get back any further.

My line is:
My Great, Great, Great, Great Grandfather,
William (b.c.1749) of Ellesborough m.
Mary Brandon (b.c.1749) of Buckland in abt 1767
children:
George (1769), William (1772), Joseph (1774),
Thomas (1777), John (1778), Mary (1781),
Sarah (1784) and Ann (1787).

I was also interested in the death sentence
that William received in 1818. It was for
Sheep Stealing.

Thanks Richard for that.  Good to know what the crime was - was it he who was sent to Australia? There was one who was sent there in 1831 from Hertfordshire as well as the other one 1856 from the Old Bailey (stealing money from the Railway Company).  

Yes I've got right back to Thomas 1525 and can send you his photo plus other info if you want to give me your email address.  I think I have now found his parentage etc.  Your William was the brother of our John who married Mariah Philby.  Hi cousin!

I am wondering if your John b 1778 was the John who married Mary Tidd in India (fellow missionary) and had a son John who later also married in India but descendants later migrated to New Zealand?  John Snr died 1800.  He went with William Carey missionary to India.
Cheers
Christine

I have now gone right back and found all the French connection plus the connection to the Duke of Norfolk (Mowbray et al) and to the lot in France from Abbeville and Longpre plus others (de Fontaines)  They ended up marrying into the Balliol family, plus other nobility in England etc..  Have found the castle of the original family in Anthee Belgium which there is a photo on the internet of.  Fascinating!!!!  The link connecting to the Duke of Norfolk was Bernard Fountain in Stoke Hammond who mentioned in a document his cousin was the then D/N.

So I will now have to have a holiday in UK and France to see these places!!!

Sorry Richard the two I mentioned were later dates so must have been another two that got sent off!  

Hi Christine

I've left you my email address through the personal contacts on the website. I looke forward to seeing the info you have on the Fountain family.

I don't think there is an Australian connection with William.
I got the information about the death sentence on Ancestry.co.uk.

If Williams parents were John and Phoebe (ne Dimmock)Fountain then at some point prior to William's birth John and Phoebe must have moved to Ellesborough.

Where is your connection to the Fountain family?

Hi Richard: John and Phoebe did move to Ellesborough but also Aston clinton and had several children one of whom was William b 1744.  He married Elizabeth Brandon from Buckland. Here it gets confusing to say the least.  William's brother John b about 1776 or 1779 married Mariah Philby at Aston Clinton (they moved around alot in those days surprisingly).  They had several children one of whom was Thomas b 1819/1820  He married Harriet Turner (from Gloucester) and had William Carey Fountain and Thomas P Fountain (One in Gloucestershire and the other in London respectively).  William Carey Fountain married twice, 1st time
Emma Hawkes from Twyning and they had several children including my grandfather, Charles Guy Fountain.

William C F married again to mary ? and had further children about 14 in all.  The story went my grandfather Charles got so disgusted with all these children that he left home and left them to it.  I think there was probably more than that to it.  But I do think looking back at the early history they were trying to create a dynasty to keep up with the relatives!

Charles Guy Fountain married my grandmother Nellie Florence Carr from Bethnal Green 1915 and my mother, Irene Patricia Fountain was born in B/Green Plaistow area in 1921.  In 1926 they emigrated to NZ and mum married x 3 times (tiger for punishment).  My brother Phillip and I are of the first marriage hence the name Andricksen.  

I have found Johnathan William Fountain in Birmingham whose great grandfather was WCF, his grandfather was Ernest Fountain (also from the first marriage) and his father was William and had 2 other brothers Charlie and Ransome.  Ransome is still alive. I have been in contact with them.

I will ask E/Bray people to forward your email address or mine to you whichever is easier and then I can send on the stuff, very long and involved but everything I found I kept a record of.  So hope it makes sense.

Cheers
Christine

Interesting reading.
Does anyone have any pointers to link the FOUNTAINs in East Anglia with this dynasty?
We have a link to Isle of Axholme and the draining of the Fens, familes moving down country to Thorney and Whittlesey, evidence not at all water tight and origins to France not conclusive. Then there are the Narford family in Norfolk which is not too far away from Whittlesey, do these link up anyplace?

Wow, I have been trying to look up My Father REGINALD FOUNTAINE for a long time,He married a Bessie Minnie Dedman, but am sure my Father was adopted into the Family of Fountaine's, I don't have any thing to go on, but the fact I know he was  Born Aug 1900/1 and died in 1970,reading about all the Fountain/e Family in Eaton Bray, I know he had relatives in Totternhoe too,I live in Leighton Buzzard so find reading this is so very interesting, I have to thank you Christine/Marion/Richard, If any of you find any info on and if my Father was adopted into the Fountaine Family would be appreciated.

Hi Pauline..........
Found the marriage you mentioned but can't find Reginald in the 1911 census.Did he have a middle name as the closest to 1901 I can find is 1904 born Weston Turville , 1904 Watford and 1908 Dunstable.Also can't find a birth registration around 1901.

Found Bessie in 1911 born c1903 Mentmore Bucks living at 1 Littledale Street Kempston Bedford...
Have you any idea of your Grandfather
Fountaines name?

ooh lovely for that Tom n Harry, well chuffed, as I didn't even know where my Mum was born either, or where she lived, I will ask about for my Grandfather, I believe he was a William too,as my Dad's sister was a Nellie who married a Jack Brandom and had a son Roland,and lived in Great Billington. I got so far on the Ancestry Site, but it got to paying for more info !!ooh I can't believe you got my Mum's info thank you so much.

Did your dad have any brothers or sisters Pauline. If we can find them we may be able to find Reginald.

Sorry Pauline..Imeant did he have any other brothers and sisters besides Nellie.
We do have membership on Ancestry and Genes so we should be able to find them with a bit more information..

Pauline...On your last post you have written "HE WAS A WILLIAM TOO"....
Do you mean that Reginalds real name was William?

Think I may have found him but need to check a few things first....
Do the names Frederick , Cyril and Leslie mean anything.

Have the 1911 census living at The Coach & Horses Leighton Buzzard Beds………………………………......................

Fred K Fountain ,head, 44, married 10 years, Publican & Sand Pit Foreman born Buckinghamshire………………………………
Ellen Fountain , wife, 36 born Gloucestershire……………….
Regie Fountain , son,10.……………………………................
Fred K Fountain, son 8.……………………………..................
Cyril Fountain , son , 4.……………………………...................
Leslie Fountain , son ,3.……………………………...................
All boys born Leighton Buzzard Beds

There is I think a twist in the tale. There is a marriage registered in September 1900 in Leighton Buzzard of Frederick Fountain to Ellen Wheeler. In the 1901 census they are living at Heath & Reach with children William age 9 and Alice age 7. As Ellen is down as age 22 at this time it looks like Frederick has been married before and all ready has children from his first wife. There is also another boy named William Wheeler  age 1 born Chepstow Monmouthshire Wales and down as son in law to Frederick. Ellen is born in South Gurney Gloucestereshire and Frederick in Dagnall Buckinghamshire and as on the 1911 census is a Sand Pit Foreman. Going from both census it looks like William Wheeler is Ellens child. Cant find any birth registration for Regie in 1901 so I think as Frederick had a child named William it could be that William Wheeler was adopted by Frederick and his name changed to Regie. Hope this makes sense

Marion Fountain 1012
Hi Marion, with your name you must be connected as we had a Marion in my grandfather's family - halfsister and also way back in the Bucks lot there was a Maryanne (Marian).  sounds as tho you could have come from the Norfolk lot.  The Narford Fountaines are the Norfolk lot which I do have a family tree for.  It seems we go right back to 1066 or previous wo the de Fontaines from Flanders and they were connected somehow (not found out exactly how) to the Counts of Pontheiu Abbeville branch.  Some were also pages, seneschals to the Kings and Duke William with the Battle of Hastings etc.etc.  I have found some in UK around this time some in Kent and Norfolk, and Suffolk but there is a 2-300 year gap between then and 1525 when we get thomas Fountain in Slapton Bucks.  Can't find who his father is.  There is a connection with the de Fontaines - Alleume's daughter Cecily (Mathilde) married Hugh de Balliol and their son and grandson became King of Scotland.  They were in Scotland, so it is very feasible with the defence of England in that time they were strategically placed all over the place.  Marrying them up is a problem though.  Our lot are not the Heugenot ones as they were in UK before that event.  The de Fontaines lot married into the Norman nobility, namely de Warenne, Roger de Bigod, the de Mowbray and FitzAlan families, the Warenne, Mowbray and Bigod families ended up as Duke of Norfolk and these were cousins to one Bernard Fountain Lord of the Manor in Stoke Hammond (found in a paper).  I have got back to a Roger de Fonteines in Carlton Limbrick Notts in 1204 when he sold land to William de Warenne so there are quite a few around.  Hope this helps.

Hi Marion again
East Anglia Isle of Axholme and the draining of the Fens, familes moving down country to Thorney and Whittlesey, are any of these places near Surrey, or Bucks?  Sorry I'm in New Zealand and don't know these areas!

#751
Constance Fountain is my mother, who married Edward Smithson Howard.
Connie as she is known was born
19/11/1909.she lived in harrow.arthur and sarah was her parents. i have a bit more imfo if you need
Many thanks Brenda

Hi Tom and Harry
May Fountain was my mothers sister, she never married. when the mother died, she had to look after the other kids. Constance was my mother name. if you need any more help, email me.
madmackem@yahoo.co.uk.topic #663

Brenda Howard

Arthur & sarah Fountain were my mothers parents

Arthur & sarah Fountain were my mothers parents

May Fountain was My mothers older sister, she never married, after the mother died she had to look after the kids

if you want to know anything email me at madmackem@yahoo.co.uk

This is for Christine Andrickson . I am related to William Fountain and Mary Brandon. I believe my relative, William junior, married Hannah Cook in Ash surrey. Their 2nd child, also William, married Edith Stickley and they emigrated to australia shortly after the death of the first child in 1874. My nana was the second last child born to that family in 1891. I live in Sydney australia. My mother has researched the family tree over many years and has always held the belief ( from her uncle) that there was a Huegunot connection. After communicating with Harold Faulkner I believe there is no such connection. mind you, I'm still on the lookout for more information.
i wish i'd come across this site a while back. i had given the family history a break for a while, but this has renewed my interest. looking forward to your reply

For #1138 rosemary speirs, 5 February 2012, 01:04

Thanks for your posting!  Yes, my cousin Richard also was told they were Heugenots, but it seems Thomas Founten/Fountain in Cheddington was born 1525 and the rest prior to that appear to be back to 1066 so that was well before the Heugenots came late 1500s and 1600s I think.  But they may well have been related.  I know there were Fountens/Fountains in Wing in the 1500s and prior to this all over the show, plus Norfolk where they seems to have migrated from.  Big family in the 1200s which don't seem to be completely related.  
Still trying to find back from Thomas Founten/Fountain 1525 Cheddington - his father was Thomas but need to find more info. There seems to be a gap of 100-200 years from info previously given so if anyone has any info on our Thomas above, would love to find it.
I did get John Founten who died in 1538 or something in Wing very hard to read but did relate to the Fountains all spelt differently in Wing at that time.  Lots of stuff in UK Archives but tying them all up is a nightmare!
Thanks for that info.  Yes I got the infor from Faulkner's book too.

Funny I lived in Sydney for 10 yrs wish I had known of you then! Interesting your branch went to Oz, wonder if that's why my Grandfather Charles Guy Fountain came to NZ? Checking out the relatives perhaps!

Fountains in America -- I am a descendant of Aaron Fountain who was the son of JOHN (I think) who came to America with his two brothers to New York City.  Aaron settled in Connecticut and had 12 children.  His birth date is abt 1660 and he married sisters Mary and Susannah Beebe. I have researched him and his descendants extensively, having over 19,000 people in my file. Does anyone there have any information on Aaron who came from Devon, England?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  
Thank you,
Margie.

There are quite a few websites of this family of Fountains - they were the Heugenot family from Jacquesas follows but there is more extensive info on the internet but I didn't keep this as it didn't relate to my family.  Hope this helps.
From the website at end.
The de la Fontaine name in my husband's family was changed to simply "Fontaine" after Jacques de la Fontaine (died 1633).
De la Fontaine is of French origin and is misspelled frequently as "Fontain" or "Fountain" here in America, especially in Georgia. In England it is sometimes spelled "Delafontaine". The Fontaine's left France to escape the religious persecution of the catholic church. Many of them fought and died because of their faith in Christ. These brave souls were seeking religious freedom from catholic tyranny and became known as French Huguenots. This brought about their ultimate immigration to America, via England and Ireland.

Please note: This is only a brief outline of some descendants. It's mostly a Direct Descent to my husband and is only meant to be informational in nature. For a more detailed webpage about the Fontaine's, with historical items included, please visit Bob Juch at www.juch.org/. Mr. Juch's webpage is the very well done, except that he has not included the Hudson info I gave him yet last I checked (2002).

Another excellent FONTAINE web site: Fontaine ~ by Louise Smith of Canada. Some information in french.

Some Descendants Of Jean de la Fontaine and Buyonne de Monthibault

1 Jean de la Fontaine Born: WFT Est. 1297-1367 in FRANCE Died: WFT Est. 1334-1443 in FRANCE  **15th great grandparent
....+Buyonne de Monthibault Born: WFT Est. 1303-1370 in FRANCE Died: in FRANCE Married: WFT Est. 1323-1399 in FRANCE  **15th great grandparent
..2 Guy de la Fontaine Born: WFT Est. 1334-1396 in FRANCE Died: WFT Est. 1371-1473 in FRANCE **14th great grandparent
......+Buyonne de Audigne Born: WFT Est. 1340-1399 in FRANCE Died: in FRANCE Married: in FRANCE  **14th great grandparente
...3 Jean de la Fontaine Born: WFT Est. 1371-1425 in FRANCE Died: WFT Est. 1409-1503 in FRANCE  **13th great grandparente
.........+[2] Guyonne Le Royer Born: WFT Est. 1500-1530 in FRANCE Died: 1563 in Maine Providence, Normandy, FRANCE Married: WFT Est. 1397-1458 in FRANCE  **13th great grandparent
.....4 [1] Arthur de la Fontaine Born: WFT Est. 1409-1452 in FRANCE Died: in FRANCE  **12th great grandparent
...........+Catherine de Souvre Born: WFT Est. 1416-1455
.....*2nd Wife of [1] Arthur de la Fontaine :
...........+Susanne de Gordon Born: WFT Est. 1404-1464 in FRANCE Died: in FRANCE Married: WFT Est. 1473-1520  **12th great grandparent
........5 Gilles de la Fontaine Born: WFT Est. 1449-1478 in FRANCE Died: WFT Est. 1503-1563 in FRANCE  **11th great grandparent
........+[--?--]  **11th great grandparent
........... 6 Jean de la Fontaine Born: 1500 in Maine Providence, Normandy, FRANCE Died: 1563 in Maine Providence, Normandy, FRANCE Religion: French Huguenot  **10th great grandparent
.................+[2] Guyonne Le Royer Born: WFT Est. 1500-1530 in FRANCE Died: 1563 in Maine Providence, Normandy, FRANCE Married: 1545 in FRANCE  **10th great grandparent
............. 7 (1st son) de la Fontaine Born: 1545 in Maine Providence, Normandy, FRANCE Died: 1563 in Maine Providence, Normandy, FRANCE
............. 7 Jacques de la Fontaine Born: 1549 in Rochelle, Poitou Providence, FRANCE Died: 1633 in Rochelle, Poitou Providence, FRANCE Religion: Protestant  **9th great grandparent
..................+[--?--]  **9th great grandparent
................8 (1st daughter) de la Fontaine Born: Bet. 1570 - 1640 in Rochelle, Poitou Providence, FRANCE
................8 Bouquet de la Fontaine Born: Bet. 1570 - 1640 in Rochelle, Poitou Providence, FRANCE
................8 [3] James Fontaine Born: 1603 in Rochelle, Poitou Providence, FRANCE Died: 1666 in Jenouille-Jaffe Estate, Veaux, FRANCE  **8th great grandparent
......................+Elizabeth Thompson Born: 1591 in London, ENGLAND Died: 1640 in Borough of Vaux, FRANCE Married: 1628 in London, Middlesex, ENGLAND
..................9 Jane Fontaine Born: 1628 in Borough of Vaux, FRANCE
........................+L'Hommeau Born: Bet. 1600 - 1640
..................9 Judith Fontaine Born: 1630 in Borough of Vaux, FRANCE
........................ +Guiennot Born: Bet. 1600 - 1650
..................9 James Fontaine Born: 1633 in Borough of Vaux, FRANCE Died: 1685
..................9 Elizabeth Fontaine Born: 1636 in Borough of Vaux, FRANCE Died: in a shipwreck within sight of Boston Harbor (America)
........................ +Reverend Sauteau Born: Bet. 1600 - 1650 Died: in a shipwreck within sight of Boston Harbor (America)
..................9 Peter Fontaine Born: 1638 in Borough of Vaux, FRANCE
..................9 Francis Fontaine Born: 1640 in Borough of Vaux, FRANCE

................*2nd Wife of [3] James Fontaine :
...................... +Marie Chaillon Born: 1615 in Rue

Christine - Thank you so much for filling in the "American Fountains" on our French ancestry! This is a very big piece of the puzzle for us. Our direct line, through a Stephen Fountain, were loyal to England during the American Revolutionary War and emigrated to Canada as a consequence, so we have always presumed that were English through and through.  Many, many thanks. - Jane (cousin of Margie who wrote on our behalf)

For Jane:  re the Devon Fountains - I think they are quite detailed on the Devon Family History Centre (don't know now what the link is but you should be able to access it) they have more stuff there too.  

They were centred at Barnstable and other areas of Devon but not Ugborough or Bawcombe Devon, think this was a different lot of Fountains. Seemed to have been all over the place really. Glad to have helped.

I see alot of Fountain information on this site, I was wondering if any one had information on John Fountain of Abingdon,Berkshire England, a will dated 1711. His wife was named Margaret, In will He named a brother Roger died in Lyn Haven, Va. Roger's son Robert Fountain about 40 Years old. He named a sister Martha Fountain it seems she married a Woolhead.
I think there are 3 or 4 lines of Fountains in America.Does anyone have information on these Fountains, England to Lynnhaven Va. These went later to North Carolina, then to Georgia, to Alabama, to Texas? thanks for any information  

For Christine Andricksen: I posted a topic #1188, if you have time I wish you would look at it.
   Thanks Bobby Fountain
 

Topic 1189 Bobby Fountain
Had a bit of a look today and found the following think this is your lot but not sure.  I think they probably came from the Norfolk Fountaines but could have been from the Bucks ones.  
Familysearch.org  and ancestry.co.uk are good to search. Hope this helps.

He must have made good as he left land to the city!!!
bodley.ox.ac.uk/external/cumnor/wills-summaries.htm
Edward Cleeve
Overseers: Mr. John Fountain and my cousin Mr. John Payne, both of Abingdon.
Witn.: John Red, John Corderoy, Alice Corderoy.
Inventory appraised by Leonard Hawkins, Richard Vickers his mark, Michael Gardner
his mark, at £348, inc. farm and lands at Wootton.

genuki.org.uk/big/eng/BDF/Woburn/WoburnGaz1898K.html
WOBURN, a parish, a market and union town and head of a petty sessional division, on the borders of Bucks, on the road from Dunstable to Newport Pagnell, 15 miles south-west from Bedford, 42 from London, 3 south-east from the Woburn Sands station on the Bedford and Bletchley branch of the North Western railway and 7 north from Leighton Buzzard, in the Southern division of the county, hundred of Manshead, county court district of Leighton Buzzard, rural deanery of Fleete, archdeaconry of Bedford and diocese of Ely. John Fountain, of Abingdon, Berks, bequeathed in 1710 lands value £20 yearly for bread.




You need to go to Ancestry.co.uk and search of John Fountain Abingdon Bedford and then you will need to pay by credit card you can get 12 pounds worth which gives you a bit of leeway.

This one looks like the possible one as it is earlier and doesn't give a date. May not be tho.
ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/  - this is his death details parish records?db=lmaearlyparish&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-d&gsfn=John&gsfn_x=1&gsln=Fountain&gsln_x=1&msydy=1711& msypn__ftp=Abingdon+Bedford+UK&cpxt=1&catBucket=rtp&uidh=db6&cp=11&gl=& gst=&hc=20&fh=60&fsk=BEEV6qQIgAAGWAAt3-47-M-61-

View Record


Margaret Wright
event type
mm year
city, London

John Fountain


Record


Margaret Catherine Linch
 
date
John William Chesser Fountain
parish


Familysearch.org

Can't get back further than this but probably relating to the Norfolk Fountaynes or the Buckinghamshire ones.  



John Fountayne of Sall about 1548 Berkshire – probably father of next one.

John Fountayne Battlesden bedford about 1562
Father: not detailed. Children:  Mary 1586, Francis 1590, Robert1592

Francis Fountayne:  24 April 1590 Battlesden Bedford
also same for 24 April 1590 at Milton Bryant Bedford
Father John Fountayne

Robert Fountaine:  
Father: Francis Fountaine
Christening 24 March 1633 Lidlington Bedford
Marriage:   Mary Bacon 13 March 1660 Lidlington Bedford


Familysearch.org  (under search:  Martha Fountain 1650  +/- 20 years england
Husband: Robert Fountaine
Wife: Mary Fountain
Children:  Martha
DOB: 20 Sept 1668 Lidlington Bedford UK

Hi Bobby, I see I put Bedford there but I did look up Berkshire and that also came up so perhaps he was born in Bedford and they moved to Berkshire.  Duke of Woburn was the big man there so perhaps he was involved in the estate there. Not sure. Will keep looking up a few more for you
Cheers
Christine

for Bobby Fountain again.
Found a little bit more but best to try Berkshire family history centre as below - should be able to find all the details there. Cheers christine
Familysearch.org

Father: Robert Fountain
Mother: Ann Land
Son: Roger Fountain b 1690 Princess Anne, Virginia




Berkshire Family History Society | Federation of Family History
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http://www.findmypast.co.uk/content/ffhs/berkshire
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=43252 My Note:  St Valery – refers to Bernard de Saint Valery (companion originally of william the conqueror.  His daughter Laurette (originally married to the Count of Pontheiu and repudiated) married Alleaume de fontaines from Abbeville France from whom the Fountains appear to have descended.  They were also living in Oxford under the name of de Fonte.  This relates to both the Norfolk and Buckinghamshire Fountain families.  The de St Valery families had honours of land in the area.
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SOUTH MORETON
Mortune (xi cent.); Sudmorton (xiii cent.); South Morton, South Moorton (xiv–xvii cent.).
The parish extends southward from a height of 200 ft. on Down Hill above Long Wittenham, and is bounded on the south by the Moreton Mill Brook and its tributary Hakkas Brook. FULSCOT (Follescote, xi cent.; Foulescote, xiii–xiv cent.; Foghlescote, xv cent.; Fowlescotte, xvi–xviii cent.), held of the king before the Conquest by Lodric, a freeman, and valued at £2, had passed at the Survey to Roger son of Seifrid, its value being £4. (fn. 114) The overlordship was connected with the honour of Wallingford in 1300. (fn. 115) In 1428 the estate was held of Nicholas Carew of his manor of Purley (another member of the same honour) by service of one sparrow-hawk or payment of 2s. (fn. 116) The view of frankpledge for Fulscot in this and the next century was held at Ardington. (fn. 117) In 1550 the manor was held of the united honours of Wallingford and St. Valery, (fn. 118) afterwards the honour of Ewelme. (fn. 119) From its position adjacent to the manor held by Humfrey Visdelou at the Survey, (fn. 120) it seems probable that this was the knight's fee held of the honour of Wallingford by Walkelin Visdelou (Visus Lupi), probably son of Humfrey, in 1166, (fn. 121) and by another Humfrey Visdelou in 1228. (fn. 122) The manor is first named in 1312, when it was settled by William de Braybrooke on Payn Huskarl for life with remainder to his son Thomas and his wife Juliana. (fn. 123) It descended to Agnes Huscarl, (fn. 124) of whom it was held by William Stokes at his death in 1427. (fn. 125) He seems to have held it in right of his wife Maud, for it passed to her son Robert Brown. (fn. 126) It was sold by his son Thomas in 1455 to John Norreys, together with the manor of Adresham, (fn. 127) with which it continued to be held. (fn. 128) A moiety passed with Adresham to Richard Whistler, whose son Thomas severed Adresham (q.v.). The moiety of Fulscot descended to William Whistler, the son of Thomas, and from him it passed by fine in 1653 to Mary Fountayne, widow. (fn. 129) The other moiety passed with Adresham to the Braybrookes. From Richard Braybrooke it passed to his daughter Margaret wife of Humphrey Hyde of Wick, near Abingdon, (fn. 130) and it was sold in 1675 by her daughters to their tenant Richard Lewendon. (fn. 131) ….....

Christine Andricksen
  Thanks for giving me this information, I will see what I can do with it.

                 Thanks
                     Bobby